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patrick ford's picture
Posted by: patrick ford | January 1, 2012

Meskin?

Meskin might be the primary inker on this page. Some retouching by Kirby, I don't see any evidence of Simon on this page. The inking is really good on this page no doubt.
I'm going to see if I can get Meskin expert Steven Brower to take a look.

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | January 1, 2012

re: Meskin?

That's a good call. Appears to be Meskin to me also, Patrick.

Steven Brower's picture
Posted by: Steven Brower (not verified) | January 1, 2012

re: Meskin?

Interesting page. And I think Pat is mostly correct. Indeed I do see Meskin in way the clothing is inked and the lighter touches in the faces. However the bold blacks throw me, Mort was more prone, especially at S&K, to hatch and cross hatch rather than spot blacks so heavily. And the heavy feathering on the man's face in the third panel doesn't look like either Kirby or Meskin to me. Still, if I had to guess, Kirby pencils, Meskin inks but Kirby spotting of blacks.

Harry Mendryk's picture
Posted by: Harry Mendryk (not verified) | January 2, 2012

Not Meskin inking. As Steven

Not Meskin inking. As Steven points out the bold blacks are not typical of Meskin. Also I have never seen Meskin do feathering like that found on the man's jacket in the third panel (along the edges along side the tie). The inking of the upper part of the man's sleeve in panel four is not like Meskin either. Actually none of the spotting looks like Meskin to me.

Tom Kraft's picture
Posted by: Tom Kraft | January 2, 2012

Spotted blacks

Thanks Harry. So do the spotted blacks look like Kirby? Or is it to hard to tell with any certainty?

Harry Mendryk's picture
Posted by: Harry Mendryk (not verified) | January 3, 2012

I see no Kirby in any of the

I see no Kirby in any of the inking of this page.

Steven Brower's picture
Posted by: Steven Brower (not verified) | January 2, 2012

Re: Meskin?

To clarify a bit more, Meskin would use spotting more judiciously and more geometrically as design elements than those shown here.

Tom Kraft's picture
Posted by: Tom Kraft | January 2, 2012

Credits updated

Thank you Steven for your input. I've updated the inkers to Mort and Jack.

Steven Brower's picture
Posted by: Steven Brower (not verified) | January 2, 2012

You're welcome Tom, but I

You're welcome Tom, but I actually defer to Harry. The more I look at this the less Meskin and the more Kirby inks I see, but there is still something off. It's possible there are at least 3 hands involved. For what it is worth, Meskin did contribute a 2 page story to that same issue.

patrick ford's picture
Posted by: patrick ford | January 2, 2012

Hands

As with many stories where Kirby didn't do all, or almost all the inking identification can get tricky because there will be several hands, even on the same panels. The blacks on man's jacket in panels two and three don't really look like Kirby, or Meskin, and they are probably additions. It's clear the blacks on the jacket in both panels are really dark, which might point at a different ink, or perhaps it darker simply because it's applied on top of inking by another hand? Maybe Kirby thought it needed to be bulked up?
The overall look of the page reminds me of another Romance story I have called "The Underdog."
Using the Zoom feature I see a contrast between the way the man and woman (in the hair particularly) are inked in the top right and lower right panels. The top right looks a lot like Kirby's inking, the lower right is more willowy looking, not as bold.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | January 3, 2012

Inky

I was under the impression that the primary inker on this story was George "Inky" Roussos. Looks like his work to me.

patrick ford's picture
Posted by: patrick ford | January 3, 2012

Diverse Hands?

Roussos is today known for his rather ham-fisted inks in the 60's, but earlier he had a very nice controlled line.
Meskin and Roussos had been something of a team in the late 40's at DC.
What reminds me of Meskin is the delicate inking on the last panel, and in several other places.
Here's an example of Meskin inking his own work.
http://mortmeskinart.weebly.com/original-comic-art.html
Also the way the lamp is inked in the last panel reminds me of these inks with a similar lamp.
http://mortmeskinart.weebly.com/original-comic-art.html
Those real heavy blacks are hard to identify because they are what I would think are retouching. In that case it could be either Simon or Kirby "punching up" the blacks.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | January 4, 2012

I dunno, Patrick...

Looking at those examples of Meskin's inking style, I gotta say this page really doesn't look very similar to me. There's only a couple of spots on the whole page that look like Mort's work to my eyes. I would have picked Kirby as a strong possibility, but since Harry says there's no Kirby inking on here, I'm inclined to doubt any major involvement from the King -- 'cause Harry's a pretty good judge of Jack's ink style. I think Roussos is the best choice for this, since his inking was similar in many ways to Jack's and because he also worked closely with Meskin. Plus, since there's stylistic cues on here that belong to neither Jack nor Mort, that suggests a third hand. Additionally, it's known that Roussos did inking for both Hillman and Crestwood (companies where S&K worked), so it's not much of a stretch to imagine that he would have inked some stuff at Mainline for them. Finally, I'm pretty certain I heard somewhere that there was some connection between the name of S&K's aborted INKY strip and Roussos' nickname -- like one inspired the other (although I don't know which came first). I realize that's a lot of circumstantial evidence, but when you add it all together with the fact that these inks just look like George R.'s work, I think I'd place my money on Mr. Bell.

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Posted by: truthAndSoulBaby | January 3, 2012

harrison ford?

doesn't it look like harrison ford in the third panel, i mean, c'mon!!!

seriously, how did kirby come up with all these love stories for a whole decade+??
i mean if he wuz married since his early twenties where would i get all the ideas?
wuz someone else writing them, or did he borrow them from roz?

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | January 3, 2012

Huh?

So married people can't come up with ideas for romance stories?? Yes, some of them were written by others, but a lot of them were written by Jack and/or Joe -- both of them happily married men (>gasp<). Kirby was a cartoonist who spent most of his time sitting behind a drawing table. Does that mean he shouldn't have been able to come up with superhero ideas? Or science fiction ideas? Or ideas for crime, horror, war or humor stories? I'm not following your train of thought here, tASB. Jack was a WRITER. He could come up with great stories in ANY genre.

truthAndSoulBaby's picture
Posted by: truthAndSoulBaby | January 3, 2012

but don't deny my harrison ford spot!

yes, i just find it inspirational that he could be so diverse.
even the lurid "true life divorce" or "soul love" seems like a stretch, but he could pull it off.

i can understand the war, since he saw it first hand, and probably heard a lot of tales from other enlisted men.
for the romance, i picture roz coming home from getting her hair done and telling jack a little 3 minute tale from of the gals, and jack expounding on that...well, that's how it works in mi casa ('cept the writing part ;)

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | January 4, 2012

Love, American Style

Lol. Okay. We all know what a visionary Kirby was. Maybe he had a vision of Harrison Ford and put him into this story accordingly. Or maybe Ford saw this comic as a kid and tried to base his appearance on panel three as much as possible.

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Posted by: thestikman | January 4, 2012

George Rossous

I concur on the George Rossous inking hypothesis. With the zoom feature it is quite evident throughout. The "hay" in the postman's knapsack in panel 1 and on the faces in panel 4. The shorthand inking on Warren's faces in panels 1 and 5. Some of the Roussous inking on Kirby in the early 60s Marvels is quite nice, For example: Fantastic Four 21, The Tales of Asgard story from Journey into Mystery 97 and the covers of Fantastic Four 18 and Strange Tales 116. However, "what if" (as they say), we had access to the pencils of Fantastic Four 25 through 27. They are as bad or worse than the much maligned Coletta's worst.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | January 4, 2012

Re: Roussos

Yeah, some of his sixties stuff was pretty bad. But Stan was using him on those early F.F.s because he wasn't very expensive and at the time Marvel couldn't afford guys like Sinnott, who could get a much better page rate elsewhere. I have a sentimental affection for the art on F.F. 25 and 26 (the Thing versus Hulk issues), but overall his work on the series doesn't really appeal to me.

patrick ford's picture
Posted by: patrick ford | January 4, 2012

????

By no means am I convinced this is Meskin. That's why I put a question mark after Meskin, and said I'd ask Meskin expert Steven Brower what he thought.
I think this:
http://cartoonsnap.com/blogspot/images/dda7bd16e000_13CB9/SWOYDreams0220... is Meskin inking his own work with a brush, and it's what made me think of Meskin.
There are a few places on the page which look a bit like Kirby, but if you compare to his other inking from 1954 this page just looks too delicate in many places.
One area where Kirby may have done some inking or retouching is panel three. The man's eyes look like something I'd expect from Kirby, but what's interesting is the woman's cheeks look as if they had been inked in the "apple cheeked" fashion Kirby often used for women, BUT those "apple cheeks" have been covered with white-out. Possibly evidence of Joe Simon getting involved.
Panels 1,5-6 seem to have a consistent style, it's panels 2,3,4 which look like a mixed bag.

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