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John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | March 17, 2013

Yaaay, new pages!

Not a bad ink job by Colletta on this one, either (sorry, Krackles).
But that logo paste-up has gotta be the weirdest I've ever seen. Anyone know if that's how it originally went out to the printer, or if it's an after-the-fact butcher job?

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | March 17, 2013

A Kirby classic

Thanks, Tom!

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | March 18, 2013

Sore We?

Wattaminute!
Let's not get too hasty, we have to study this page thoroughly in order to state a well-informed opinion.

So, let's see… it's inked by Colletta! IT SUCKS!

Thanks for your attention, guys.

Hans Kosenkranius's picture
Posted by: Hans Kosenkranius | March 18, 2013

Some Interesting tidbits...

Missing are head shots of Crusher Creel, Odin, the Witch Doctor, and Loki on either side of the figure of Thor. Although most of these images are believed to have been to stats lifted from other issues, reps. for the Kirby estate tell me that evidence shows that the head of the Witch Doctor was original and rendered directly on the artwork. Unfortunately, it was unceremoniously removed during the production process and lost. Kirby had the cvr. restored(you can still see the shadow of the missing piece) and also pencilled the heads of all four missing characters on a separate sheet of paper for the new owner. I'm told this is the earliest example of Thor cvr. art that was returned to Jack from Marvel..

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | March 18, 2013

While a Building Trembles!

Hans: Thanks for the info.

Krackles: Thanks for the well-informed opinion (lol).

Joe Madajewski's picture
Posted by: Joe Madajewski (not verified) | March 18, 2013

HELP ME OUT GUYS

WHAT is this page/artwork type called??? Obviously it is NOT bristol board but is some type 'snapshot' used to create a production run cover.

I have purchased a number of these over the years; most in varying sizes > 8-1/2 x 11

Since some are LARGER than my scanner (8-1/2 x 11) is capable of scanning I wonder HOW I may contribute for the cause???

PLEASE steer me in the right direction; personal emails from ANYONE welcome

kctobyjoe

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | March 19, 2013

Original art...

...like this cover, IS drawn on bristol board. Not exactly sure what you're referring to in your comment, but I think it may be "stats" -- which is short for "photostats" -- which is a more common name for PMT's -- Photo Mechanical Transfers -- which were what comics publishers used to copy artwork and logos in the days before photocopy machines. Stats could be made in a wide range of sizes and small stats of the original art were used (along with Dr. Martin's Watercolor Dyes) for the creation of the color guides that colorists used to color the comics before computer coloring came along. Larger stats were generally used for art changes if, for some reason, the production departments didn't want to alter the originals. They were made by a photographic process on a "stat machine" (duh) on photograph paper, which was heavier than today's standard photocopier/printer paper. Publishers also kept stats of the artwork in their offices as file copies, so if you have some stats of old comics pages, that may be where they came from.

Anonymous's picture
Posted by: Anonymous (not verified) | March 19, 2013

I was here!

Joe, you can tell if you own photostats because, like John said, they involve a process, quite similar to paper photography, that can reproduce shades of grey instead of just black & white.
It's generally a high quality reproduction close to a fac-similé.
The Jack Kirby Collector did print many of them and they look gorgeous especially for pencils reproduction. It's much better looking than the regular thermal technology that, later, Jack used to make copies of his own work.

Joe Madajewski's picture
Posted by: Joe Madajewski (not verified) | March 19, 2013

Photostats???

I have TWO sheets available that are in color and have balloons filled with text
One is from an EARLY Cap w/the Red Skull and another is from O.M.A.C.

The others are B&W and either A-size (8-1/2 x 11) or a bit larger

I hope they are not forgeries for lack of a better term
I am more than willing to SHARE with everyone; these two are 8-1/2 x 11 an would fit on my scanner

Please help a guy out!!!

Joe

Alessandro's picture
Posted by: Alessandro (not verified) | April 5, 2013

you can scan (with care) the

you can scan (with care) the different parts and join them together using photoshop, which has this specific function. even better, you can use an A3 scanner :)

Erik Larsen's picture
Posted by: Erik Larsen | March 18, 2014

There are a couple ares on there--

--To the right of Thor's knee and to the left of his foot-- where it looks like something was removed and a child inked the missing parts.

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | March 18, 2014

Whole family

Erik, are you kidding us?
These lines blend almost perfectly with that mess of a job just like a nice family reunion.

This reaches minus 8 on my Colletta Crap Scale (from -10 to 0)

Erik Larsen's picture
Posted by: Erik Larsen | March 18, 2014

The Thor figure isn't a total wash--

--but that background is terrible. Not pretty.

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | March 18, 2014

The Poor, the bad and the Ugly

Not pretty?
That's Pretty Ugly if you want my opinion (no answer required).

Regarding the figure:
Both arms could belong to a hairy blob from Venus and Vinnie couldn't help but render each texture the same way, hair, flesh, brick, feathers, put your choice here, etc…

And since criticism needs to be balanced, here's for the positive side:
There are almost no fabric foldings inflicted on us (lucky us).

Shane's picture
Posted by: Shane (not verified) | March 18, 2014

Head shot stats

Three of the missing head shots were stats taken from 122 cover and page 1 (Odin and Crusher Creel),
and 121 page 6 (Loki). There is no head shot that matches the Demon so it seems that Hans' info is right.
But whereas it may have been an original drawing, it must still have been pasted on. The 'halo' around the head is clear on the printed cover and the Essentials reproduction. And it hasn't been 'whited out' from this cover above either - the mutilated area is where Odin's head was in the wall.
Stan must have wanted the Thor figure bigger - Thor's head is jammed right up under the logo in the printed version - a lot of the wall was omitted.

Shane's picture
Posted by: Shane (not verified) | March 18, 2014

Head Stats - part 2

Actually, I'll bet the head shots were never attached to this piece of art, but to the stat of it used for the cover with Thor repositioned bigger. There don't seem to be visible any of the brown stain glue marks we normally see when added stats have fallen off - just that chunk taken out on the right hand side. And it is larger than just the Odin head.

Mike T's picture
Posted by: Mike T | March 18, 2014

A piecemeal job

When you compare this to the printed cover, there are quite a few discrepancies. The "THOR" masthead is now partially hidden by Thor. The shadow to the left of his foot is gone on the printed cover. The paste-ups on the printed cover do not coincide with the so-far-unexplained spot to the right of Thor. It is also evident that the paste-ups that were employed were somewhat larger than the faces, and the surrounding rock was re-drawn (because it's different than the original art). I wouldn't have expected to find changes to this extent simply to paste in some heads.

P.S. Krackles, you must be in a good mood today to give Vinnie a minus 8. I take it this time you didn't forget your meds...?

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | March 18, 2014

Downgrade

That's standard Colletta Crap Degradation on my scale.
Minus 8 because he didn't get much opportunity to erase anything.

Mike T's picture
Posted by: Mike T | March 19, 2014

Always useful...

...to understand the rating system.

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | March 19, 2014

Heat on, Chart it!

Always happy to oblige since you planted a great idea in my mind:
I'll write the Downgrading System Guidelines along with a visual Colletta Crap Scale Chart!

Meet me in Kickstarter for donations!

Mike T's picture
Posted by: Mike T | March 19, 2014

Work for hire for Krackles?

No thanks, I'll bet you'd pay to do it. I can't wait to see it when you're done, though.

Is it weird that I've actually begun to enjoy your sick, twisted, obsessive hatred of certain inkers? (...and ones that I appreciate at that?) I guess it's because you've gone well past the realm of the typical self-appointed critic who bashes artists in order to prove to the world that he isn't insignificant, and thus deserving of the reader's attention. I like that about you. It appeals to my sense of depravity and twisted humor. You are creative in this regard, so you too shall be assimilated; your uniqueness added to the Kirby Kollective. And Vinnie shall ink all your pages.

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | March 19, 2014

Well, Come in From Your Freak Wheel

You got it right this time.
It's not about how meaningful we think we are but how much Jack's work means to us.

I welcome you just like I welcome any opinions as long as it is mine!

— Your reeducation may start now —
I'll plant the right Seed on your Shores (you won't believe it wasn't intended to sound gross, will you?)

As for myself, it's already too late you can't even begin to fathom the hell on earth I went through.
Shores, Colletta… The horror… the horror my friend!

Mike T's picture
Posted by: Mike T | March 19, 2014

Haw! You Krackles me up,

Haw! You Krackles me up, man! Cheers!

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