John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | July 10, 2011

Kirbytech

Excellent Kirby machinery in this pin-up. Jack was really starting to hit the heights, artistically, around this time, and although Stan's comment is somewhat humorous, it must have ticked Kirby off a bit to have his work referred to as "silly" after putting so much imagination and effort into its creation.

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | July 10, 2011

Kirby for President!

Hey John, don't forget to vote ;-).
It's true, Kirby really started to go full stream on his incredible machinery.

By the way, this time, I get a Colletta vibe from the way the leg has been inked.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | July 10, 2011

Thank goodness...

...Vinnie DIDN'T ink this picture. He might have just ERASED all that great machinery!

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | July 10, 2011

That Leg

Krackles--I wonder if Vinnie started inking this (or finished) and Chic inked the rest of it. I looked through the gallery at the pages Chic inked and that inking technique is nowhere to be found except in this pin-up. Vinnie was well into inking Tales of Asgard at this time. Or could that be Don Heck inks? Seems to be quite a bit of white-out on it. Whatever the case, Chic Stone didn't ink the rendering on that leg.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | July 10, 2011

A Retouch, Perhaps?

Knowing Stan's penchant for having things retouched, it may be that he just wasn't happy with the way Stone inked the leg and had Colletta (or someone else who happened to be in the office at that time) fix it up.

johngentil's picture
Posted by: johngentil | July 10, 2011

Mostly Stone.

This looks like Chic Stone inks except the mentioned leg changes. The Thing page from this issue doesn't look 100% Stone inks to me but isn't as easy to see major alterations like the leg here. With all the changes I'm surprised Stan didn't tell someone to give Reed a neck so he didn't have a hunch back--oh is this where he got the idea for a future character to battle the FF?!

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | July 10, 2011

Irky icking inking Kirby!

Come on John, don't get me started on! ;-)

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | July 10, 2011

Kirby QUASI sure MODe of Operation!

Doesn't Quasimodo look like a pure Kirby character, Johngentil?

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | July 10, 2011

Stone Edge

I guess you guys are correct… That's some retouch work.

Erik Larsen's picture
Posted by: Erik Larsen | July 12, 2011

Seem early for Vinnie

Sol Brodsky, maybe?

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | July 12, 2011

Could be

That could be Sol. I thought maybe Vinnie because the cover date for that pin-up is Nov '64. Vinnie started inking Tales of Asgard in Journey into Mystery 106 cover date July '64. I don't know if Vinnie did any touch up on other inkers work, or if he would have been available for Stan in the office. My second guess was Don Heck. But, yeah--that could be Sol.

I can almost see Vinnie coming into the office dropping pages off to Stan, when Stan throws this pin-up at him and tells him to fix the leg.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | July 12, 2011

Probably Colletta

I hate to disagree with Erik on this, but I think you're probably right, Frank. That looks like Colletta linework to me. Brodsky's style was a bit heavier than that. And since, as you pointed out, Vinnie was already inking Kirby at this point, it makes sense that Stan would use him to do a correction like this, knowing how much he (Stan) liked Colletta's inking. Stan also had a habit of nabbing whoever was available at any given time to do corrections for him, including freelancers who were just stopping by the office to pick up or drop off assignments, so I think your guess that that was what may have happened is probably correct.

Krackles's picture
Posted by: Krackles | July 12, 2011

Scratchy hatching patchwork

Like Frank & John said.
Those scratchy cross-hatching lines pretending to be modeling while achieving no volume whatsover… are screaming Vintage Vinnie to my eyes.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | July 12, 2011

Laugh Out Loud

Poor Vinnie... Luckily he's not alive to read all this abuse!

nick caputo's picture
Posted by: nick caputo | July 13, 2011

I believe this page is inked

I believe this page is inked by Chic Stone, with corrections done by production man Sol Brodsky. Brodsky had a sharp line, and while its certainly true that Stan would corral anyone into making corrections when they were in the office, I don't see any sign of Colletta's fine lines here.

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | July 13, 2011

Solved?

Don't know why I didn't think of looking at Sol Brodsky's inks. He did ink FF 3 and 4 which are in the gallery. And there are inking techniques by Sol in those pages that are like the inks on Reed's leg. Thanks Nick--it does appear to be done by by their production man Sol.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | July 14, 2011

I suppose we'll never know, but...

...look at that knee. Still looks like Colletta to me. Oh well, hopefully we can all agree that it's a great JACK KIRBY picture, regardless of who did a few minor corrections on the inking.

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | July 14, 2011

Flummoxed

Yeah--that knee and those two parallel thigh renderings of very fine line work. I'm going back and forth on this.
Johnny S.--I suggest going to the gallery and looking at Sol's inks on FF 3 and 4.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | July 14, 2011

I see what you mean!

Now that I've gone and looked at those Brodsky pages a little more carefully, I see that he actually did use more hatching than what I remembered from seeing the work in print. I can see why Nick and Erik would attribute those corrections to him (aside from the fact that he worked in the office with Stan). So I guess I could be wrong, but I still think it looks a bit more like Colletta's work than Sol's. Like I said, it's a fairly trivial point, because we all agree that the principal inker on the piece was Chic Stone -- so a couple of minor touch-ups really aren't that important in the grand scheme of things. It is interesting though, and where else but on a site like WiK would people get so engrossed in a matter like that?!

Frank Fosco's picture
Posted by: Frank Fosco | July 14, 2011

Inking techniques

It's kinda puzzling that the guy doing the corrections didn't try and emulate Chic's inking style. The corrections or whatever that's suppose to be, you would think, should have been seamless.

John S.'s picture
Posted by: John S. | July 14, 2011

Yeah, that's for sure...

...but when were they ever? Y'know, John Romita is my second favorite artist (next to the King, of course) and a phenomenally gifted draftsman, but I always thought he was a bad choice to do corrections, because his style was so strong, you could always tell when he did a re-draw on something. And he did a ton of re-draws, especially in the seventies. In my opinion, Marie Severin should have been doing the corrections in the sixties and seventies, because her style wasn't overpowering and would have blended in better with the style of whichever artist she was correcting.

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