I like it and this is coming from someone who's been vocal enough against Mr Theakston inclination to "fix" Kirby's drawings.
Note to Tom :
As John S. and Frank Fosco pointed out, your pencils recreations are impressive and capture the wonder of Kirby's pencils.
One might say you really know your Kraft!
Did Mike Royer explain why he decided to work exclusively from his own pencils recreations? I'm curious to study enough of his to compare to yours because you set the bar pretty high.
Thanks Krackle, John S. and Frank for your comments on my pencil recreations. It means a lot coming from you guys. Mike's feels that if he recreates the pencils, he can start planning out in his head how he'll ink them and feels he can produce a better end product.
I don't think he'd refuse a creation if he didn't pencil it but these days my full attention is on building up this site. I have little time left over to do the pencilling...At this point.
I like Vinnie's version. The way Thor's left arm is slung over the Destroyer's shoulder I think Vinnie got it looking more right then the pencil version and Greg following the pencil version. It looks awkward and almost fire hose like until Vinnie took those so-called liberties and fixed it.
I must admit I don't quite understand what you mean about the arm, Frank.
The bicep on Thor's left arm is flattened and looks awkward lying on the Destroyer's shoulder. It is especially noticeable in Greg's inked version. Thor's arm laying like that, in the bicep looks like a flattened fire hose.
Vinnie caught this and bumped up and rounded the Destroyer's shoulder and shoulder blade to slightly overlap in front of Thor's bicep and forearm up to the wrist band. Vinnie got it to work. That doesn't make him a great inker, but it shows he's conscious of what he's doing.
OK, I understand now, rounding up the shoulder makes it work from an anatomy point of view.
But, wasn't Kirby looking for a dynamic composition rather than anatomy? I prefer the tension he created with his bold strokes and I'm not bothered by the flatness (that I can see now) after you pointed it out.
...to let you know, I wasn't looking for this. I was looking at the new creation on this piece and that part of it caught my eye. Then I looked at what Colletta did and it obviously caught his eye too.
OK for the shoulder but look at what he did to Thor's left hand.
Kirby drew some powerful ones that suits the action and the character while Colletta softens everyting and turns the fingers into a mass of blob!
Not anatomy point of view--but looking right point of view. Kirby's anatomy was anatomy that he created and it was awesome. I don't think the tension is lost with the shoulder fix to get it looking more correct.
Colletta got closer to that hand then Greg did.
And I gotta hand it to you Krackles--you're very creative at these subject titles--I can't keep up.
Yeah, anatomy isn't the right word it's more about the volume I guess.
Still, Kirby's version suits my eyes better.
You do good yourself, lol.
Wow, now it even comes without control!
I must be under some kind of spell.
I also had Mike Royer ink this splash. I'll dig it up and see how he handled it.
Tom, do you have access to the pencils scans that we can look at in the JKC?
It's not a Colletta thing with me--he happen to see what I saw and in my opinion came up with a solution that worked.
What happened to indentation?
I don't clearly remember Mike's version from the old site, but I'm sure it's much better than either of these, so I'm anxious to see it again. In my opinion, the ideal inker for a page like this would have been Frank Giacoia, but failing that, I'd take Royer over just about anyone. Gotta say, the only thing I really like from any of the versions shown here (aside from the King's magnificent pencilling, of course) is Sam Rosen's ever-excellent lettering. I've always believed that one of the things that made sixties Marvel comics so outstanding was the absolutely first-rate lettering they had from Artie Simek and Sam Rosen. Great lettering could make even mediocre pages look good, and when you combined it with great art like the King's, the results were nothing short of sensational.
Totally agree with you there Johnny S. Artie Simek and Sam Rosen were tops in their field. They set the standard for lettering. Especially Artie. I think Artie may have been Sam's mentor. Tis a craft unto itself. Back in the day when they use to actually letter on the boards. That doesn't happen very often anymore. Erik Larsen's book Savage Dragon is only one in a few books that still get's lettered on the boards.
John and all, I just posted the Mike Royer creation version done in 2001: http://www.whatifkirby.com/creations/mighty-thor-issue-152-page-1-0.
Compare and contrast!
Yeah, Artie was amazing. Easily one of the best ever. Probably my top three would be Howard Ferguson, Artie Simek and Gaspar Saladino, but I'd also rate Mike Royer, Sam Rosen, Todd Klein and DC's Golden Age logo designer Ira Schnapp very highly as well. You're right, Frank, hand lettering is a dying art, sadly. But I still much prefer good hand lettering over computer lettering any time.
Holy cow, I never would'a believed anyone else felt the same way about these two great letter artists! They are without a doubt my all time faves. I've tried doing research on them via Google, but I didn't find much. Does anyone on this site have any leads?
I think over all Mike Royer's piece is the best, but Vinnie did get the shoulder/arm looking right. If you look closely at Jack's original pencils it was pretty much there. Greg took it one way, Vinnie another...